US Elections - Page 2

nolimits2wealth · 11-03-08

Yeah I think it would do the US a world of good to have a lady in the white house,There would certainly be some noses put out of joint.
As for the first black president,I don't think now is the ideal time in history for that to happen,Don't get me wrong I am certainly not racist,I just think who ever does get into office will need to be 100% focused on fixing their economy,and not being distracted by less important matters.

tater03 · 12-03-08

I really think that more that I listen and read that they would be good running together. But I don't see either one right now excepting being the vice president.

Green-Moo · 12-03-08

Seeing some of the media reports about the two candidates, there's sod all about their policies and what they represent. It's all 'the female candidate v. the black candidate'. Ridiculous.

Elven · 16-03-08

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Originally Posted by ammulu

It surely is a close race Tater. Hillary and Obama sharing 50-50 chances of Presidency. Ohio and Texas win had made Hillary move over again, I guess finally Pennsylvania would decide. It would be good if one would end up being vice president, not sure how good it might be but hopefully it would surely bring some CHANGE.

As a yank who has voted against Bush from Australia in two elections, the present situation looks very dicey.

There isn't much to distinguish Hillary and Obama when it comes to policies and platform. That's why you won't see much press about it any more. Both camps have accused the other of stealing each other's policies and slogans. - Long ago it turned into just stupid mudslinging between supporters.

Neither Hillary (notice we all call her 'Hillary' and not 'Clinton'?) nor Obama can defeat John McCain alone. John McCain is one of those people Americans perceive as deserving to be President. It's almost his for the asking. - And I have to admit I would have a hard time not voting for him myself.
He has earned the nation's respect in so many ways.
John McCain was a pilot who spent 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton. He returned to a war-shattered country and found a place for himself as a national leader who has helped return some respect to Vietnam Vets.

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Personal note: I volunteered to join the USArmy at the end of the War, and was never sent to Vietnam. I still believe everyone owes the country some sort of national service, even if I vehemently opposed the Vietnam War; and similarly oppose the war in Iraq.
My job was languages. They taught me Russian and German, then sent me to Germany. 
Many of the men and women who trained me were Vietnam Vets. Although I opposed the war, I have the deepest respect for those people whether they were drafted, druggies, or professional soldiers. One way or the other, all these people sacrificed something for their country.
I guess I should throw in here that I am a card-carrying Democrat (which also means I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU. Most Republicans consider those statements as insults!

As a congressman, McCain has proven to be an independent thinker, not tied to the Republican party line. He has stood alone many times apart from the Republican ranks for things he believes in.
Although that sort of thing is frowned upon in Australian politics (breaking ranks), it is deeply admired by Americans. Americans do not vote for the party. They vote for the man (or woman, in Hillary's case

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McCain has proven to the country that he thinks for himself. He is a very moderate Republican.

Hillary
There is no question that Hillary is the more capable and experienced leader compared to Obama. She has taken on the most powerful companies and cartels in the country, and nearly won - even as only the First Lady.
Deeply principled and smart, wisened by experience, Hillary is the lady you want beside you on a bad night in a dark place - politically.
Hillary Clinton, IMO, would make a superb President.

The issue that raises the greatest distaste for me is Hillary's courting of NOW. NOW has become as ubiquitous in international politics as the neo-conservatives, but has succeeded in remaining largely anonymous. That anonymity makes them even more dangerous.
International political cliques like NOW and the neo-conservatives have gained too much influence in democracies.

Obama
Barack Obama has the charisma and the support of the black community in America. He was just another candidate really until Oprah threw her weight behind him.
He reminds me a lot of Jimmy Carter, who was probably the smartest man ever to become President of the United States. Carter inherited an oil crisis and spiraling inflation. But Carter's real failing was his strength of character and ideals, which he refused time after time to compromise. For those reasons, Carter's Presidency is considered largely a failure.
Obama has only ideals. He doesn't have the connections or the savvy. He has tried to turn these facts into positives by saying he will bring new ideas to Washington, but realistically all he will bring is his own confusion about what is going on around him.
The Presidency is not like the PM in Australia. It is a separate branch of government there - the Executive - and each President has to prove themselves as a leader to their own party, the whole of Congress, and the country.
Even if Obama won the candidacy, he does not lead his party; much less the nation. It would take a world wide catastrophe (Global warming? Nuclear terrorism?) to offer him the opportunity to achieve that leadership.
Even in difficult times, Obama would find himself alone and would make some ugly, stupid mistakes to compensate for his incompetency. - That's my opinion.

Hillary and McCain
If I could nominate my dream team for President-Vice President, it would be Hillary and McCain. It wouldn't matter who took which office. Both are such strong leaders they would make themselves heard.
It won't happen, of course, since they are from different parties.

That may work out for the best though. Hillary will end up leading the Senate, with McCain leading the Executive branch. As a yank, I believe in the complex separation of powers to force debate and consensus.

Look further ahead
If you want to understand what's going to happen, look beyond the Electoral Process (the choosing of the candidates).
This is only the first step.
The attacks Hillary and Obama are throwing at one another are only doing the Republicans' work for them. Targeted viral attacks are the neo-conservatives' most proven weapon. That is what got GWB into the Presidency.
McCain, on the other hand, is not enduring such attacks. And, although he has done some questionable things, any attack on him has to overcome the hubris of being unpatriotic.

John McCain would have to become a porn star or murder someone to lose this election.
Or he could be painted as a slave to the neo-conservatives..which is about the same sort of crime these days. That's unlikely, since he has opposed this political faction even as they constantly try to enlist him.

Then again, men like McCain make strange decisions. The power base for Republicans is the worldwide neo-conservatives. This international political clique is also their greatest weakness. The neo-conservative clique has to remain invisible. Exposure, like seeing how GWB is really a puppet of his vice President, can severely limit the influence.
If McCain saw he could not become President without surrendering too much to this clique, he could conceivably step out of the race - even if he won the nomination.
McCain has done things like this before. His constituency would back him no matter what. Like John Glenn, he can have his Senate seat for as long as he wants it.

I think this is going to be an interesting election. But remember the old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

Elven

Green-Moo · 16-03-08

Elven,

That was an absolutely superb account of the candidates and issues. From someone who gets bored and mentally switches off before the mainstream media cuts through the cr*p, thankyou.

tater03 · 17-03-08

Yes, I to think that was a very good and interesting post. I do agree that with what is going on with Hillary and Obama in the end they are helping the Republican party. But I for some reason don't think it is going to be such a shoe in for McCain.

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